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Victorians 'ignoring fire safety lesson'
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| firetek |
Posted on February 03 2010 22:44:04
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russell2pi wrote:
firetek wrote:
Doubtful.
The home page is not like the logo you are talking about. For a start it is in different colours and the format/layout is diffent.
You will only read into it what you want !
Pffft! Who are you trying to fool? 
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| Oscar the grouch |
Posted on February 03 2010 22:52:46
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Firetek, you started this thread referring to how in your experience with your lack of sales that-
firetek wrote:
it would seem that people are more interested in saving their money to buy the latest plasma TV, boat or car etc rather than protect their biggest investment. Crazy!!
Members of this site are giving you great feedback on your site, some of which is obviously from those well educated and experienced in marketing. You would most likely have to pay a marketing consultant to get info such as that openly and freely given by the likes of WAFirery and Captain Koala.
I dare say that if you treat all your prospective customers in this way it is more likely they're taking their business elsewhere rather than buying a big screen T.V.
What could be worse than working hard at putting your sales pitch to someone who then goes out and buys a big screen T.V rather than your product???
Answer- Working hard at putting your sales pitch to someone who then goes out and buys your product from your competitor.
firetek wrote:
As this thread is going around in circles and not getting back to the original theme anytime soon it's time to lock the thread before someone gets hurt.
I do find it interesting that when you started this thread you clearly referred to your site possibly hoping for a few more hits and additional exposure, I'm sure it had that effect.
But now that you are not hearing what you would have liked your calling for the thread to be locked.
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| rbyrne |
Posted on February 03 2010 23:55:20
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russell2pi wrote:
I'd have to agree with the other comments, the animated gif, the year being "110" etc are tacky and make me assume the whole company is a backyard job, unlikely to be around in 6 months when a warranty claim is needed, etc. I can relate to having a limited budget but sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
I'm also a bit concerned about the misappropriation of the FireReady logo.
On a web page, you don't have to spend so much money, but a lot of effort. Free web designs available from http://www.oswd.org and throw in a content engine like http://drupal.org or http://www.joomla.org (I've seen that somewhere recently?) You could even use http://www.php-fusion.co.uk but that looks cheap and people interested in fire fighting would never spend much time on a web site that use it.
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| firetek |
Posted on February 04 2010 02:38:42
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Capt Koala wrote:
firetek, I was referring to both of the logos in use on your site the CFA (Are you fire ready) and the DSE one that is listed under your "Vic Fires today"
I dont believe this to be damning criticism but constructive criticism. My husband and I both run a number of websites and we are only too aware of how the use of logos can be tricky, especially government ones. (which we have designed a number of )
If you dont like what people here have to say, then take your details out of your signature line
Hmm, I can see what you are saying but have you considered that you are using artwork not owned by you and used as an avatar?
How come?
Same goes for those using Warner Bros Taz and Sesame Street type avatars too.
Perhaps the originators ought to know and we'll see what they think but be careful as litigation over copyright is a second income where they live.  |
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| goofy |
Posted on February 04 2010 04:08:16
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firetek wrote:
Capt Koala wrote:
firetek, I was referring to both of the logos in use on your site the CFA (Are you fire ready) and the DSE one that is listed under your "Vic Fires today"
I dont believe this to be damning criticism but constructive criticism. My husband and I both run a number of websites and we are only too aware of how the use of logos can be tricky, especially government ones. (which we have designed a number of )
If you dont like what people here have to say, then take your details out of your signature line
Hmm, I can see what you are saying but have you considered that you are using artwork not owned by you and used as an avatar?
How come?
Same goes for those using Warner Bros Taz and Sesame Street type avatars too.
Perhaps the originators ought to know and we'll see what they think but be careful as litigation over copyright is a second income where they live.
I dont see anyone on this site using there Avatars for any form of financial gain... |
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| helion |
Posted on February 04 2010 10:16:13
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Sometimes when someone puts there heart and soul into a project, it is very hard to accept but they may see as negative comments.
People need to understand that a business is like a child to person who started it from nothing, it invokes many of the same passions, as a parent feels when their child is “attacked” as they see it thought their eyes.
While many of the comments have strong points, maybe the manner they have been put and the tone the first couple took has set the tone of the replies.
For a non-web trained person the set up a web page is daunting to say the lease. Many people out there claim to be “good” and many will take your money and leave you with a shell of something you never wanted. To set a “professional” website can field quotes of upwards to $40 grand, I know I have seen these prices branded around personally.
For a micro business to field this type of cash and to maintain cashflow it is a hard ask, I have been there as well. The old chestnut of “you have to spend money to earn money” is wheeled out by people who have never been in the situation of running a small business wonder how you are going to fund the in stock order, seeing the bank knock you back for support time and time again cause “ you have no history”.
Many people who are happy to add “advice” has never had the courage, or more to the point foolhardiness to open the doors on a business.
Given the fact there are 60,000 odd passionate (many too much so in many cases) experts in the field Firetek has chosen to take on, makes it so much harder.
For a business to be a good corporate citizen and be prepared to add advice and information for government agencies that may help save a life should be supported, not attacked. I wonder what the reaction would be if maccas done the same?
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| firetek |
Posted on February 04 2010 11:55:11
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helion wrote:
Sometimes when someone puts there heart and soul into a project, it is very hard to accept but they may see as negative comments.
People need to understand that a business is like a child to person who started it from nothing, it invokes many of the same passions, as a parent feels when their child is “attacked” as they see it thought their eyes.
While many of the comments have strong points, maybe the manner they have been put and the tone the first couple took has set the tone of the replies.
For a non-web trained person the set up a web page is daunting to say the lease. Many people out there claim to be “good” and many will take your money and leave you with a shell of something you never wanted. To set a “professional” website can field quotes of upwards to $40 grand, I know I have seen these prices branded around personally.
For a micro business to field this type of cash and to maintain cashflow it is a hard ask, I have been there as well. The old chestnut of “you have to spend money to earn money” is wheeled out by people who have never been in the situation of running a small business wonder how you are going to fund the in stock order, seeing the bank knock you back for support time and time again cause “ you have no history”.
Many people who are happy to add “advice” has never had the courage, or more to the point foolhardiness to open the doors on a business.
Given the fact there are 60,000 odd passionate (many too much so in many cases) experts in the field Firetek has chosen to take on, makes it so much harder.
For a business to be a good corporate citizen and be prepared to add advice and information for government agencies that may help save a life should be supported, not attacked. I wonder what the reaction would be if maccas done the same?
Thank you helion for your extremely well written and concise view point.
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| helion |
Posted on February 04 2010 13:26:14
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firetek wrote:
Thank you helion for your extremely well written and concise view point.
The other part is you need to take a step back and look at being said as well, everyone has advice, it is up to the receiver to tke the best bits and use it.
the Logo trade marking point has legs, the CFA has large legal teams just looking for something to do, they may be a tad busy at present But I am sure there are more where they come from looking for work.
My advice is to tkae some advice on this point from a trusted professional |
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| firetek |
Posted on February 04 2010 14:49:57
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web site now changed in the info section
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| russell2pi |
Posted on February 04 2010 20:12:45
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helion wrote:The old chestnut of “you have to spend money to earn money” is wheeled out by people who have never been in the situation of running a small business, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
haha, well seeing I'm the one who wheeled out that old chestnut ... I do in fact run a small business, did in fact start it up from scratch with no finance, it is web-based, did and do put my heart and soul into it... and every piece of feedback I get I take as extremely valuable, because I know that for every customer who bothers to say it, there are dozens who do not. Do your worst . huntingbooks.com.au
I do sort of feel sympathetic to firetek as we have been having a bit of a "stacks on" and I don't doubt his good intentions. But he kind of brought it on himself by being so defensive. In fact I (and probably many others) had already checked out his site and passed judgement about its appearance and the copyright and trademark violations but thought the better of being the bearer of negativity. But seeing him fob off similar feedback from others prompted me (and perhaps the others) to say something to help it sink in. |
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| firetek |
Posted on February 05 2010 01:29:48
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Nice looking website russell2pi.
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