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Road Crash Rescue Course - Victoria
Smashed Crab
ROAD CRASH RESCUE COURSE - VICTORIA

Due to popular demand we are running 2 X Road Crash Rescue Courses in Victoria in December and January.

The courses will be delivered in two day blocks...


Course 1 - 17th and 18th of December and 2nd and 3rd of January
Course 2 - 29th and 30th December and 8th and 9th of January

Price is $1500 per person
Location will be Mulgrave 8am - 4pm

Please contact our office to book now
1300885530
admin@fireandsafetyaustralia.com.au
www.fsaus.com.au
www.facebook.com/fireandsafetyaustralia
 
homerandmarg
What do you come out with after a four day course in road crash rescue?

How does that tie in with a CFA rescue brigade?

Simon
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homerandmarg
Got bored of waiting for a response so I went and had a look at the website. So, they provide training for people in the workforce which seems reasonable. It begs the question why anyone in CFA would need to do a course with them. Looking at their vertical rescue video, their practices are not compatible with CFA's anyway. As for learning to do RAR in a 4 day course, good luck!

Simon
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Smashed Crab
Thanks for your observations Simon

The Vertical Rescue you see in the video is one of many different techniques delivered. It is critical that a number of different techniques are delivered as we are a national organisation. There are 3 main Vertical Rescue Agencies in Victoria and they don't even have the same techniques.

So back on subject. The course comprises of the following:
PUASAR024A Undertake Road Crash Rescue
PUASAR022A Participate in Rescue Operations
PUAEME001B Provide Emergency Care
PUAEME002C Manage Injuries at emergency incident
PUAFIR215 Prevent Injury

In relation to the competencies they are required by legislation to be accepted by any RTO. However, all RTO's/Organisations/Agencies may challenge test or undertake an increment program which we strongly encourage due to the issue you raised above.
Edited by Smashed Crab on November 18 2015 20:13:39
 
homerandmarg
Thanks smashed crab. Yes I am aware that CFA, MFB and SES all have variations on rope techniques. It's unfortunate but hopefully it will all be standardised in the medium term future. The only way to be a recognised CFA high angle rescue operator is to do a CFA high angle rescue course.

I'm curious to know who your target audiance is with what appears to be advertisement for your services. Surely not a CFA, MFB or SES person? Who in their right mind would pay $1500 of their own hard earned on a course that won't be recognised in a rescue station?

Sure, you may come away with some public safety competencies but it's nowhere near a rescue increment. For example An RAR increment would take me many months to succesfully complete at an RAR brigade evethough that's my full time occupation.

Simon
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Smashed Crab
Aimed at people that want to enter the industrial emergency response environment or people that may be at a location where they are not a rescue brigade and are sometime asked to undertake the activity when it is life critical and have not received training from their agency.

Target is more the industrial side tho. Very popular course believe it or not and especially for only $1500.
Major unit for the Certificate
 
homerandmarg
I figured it was aimed more at the private industry side of things.

Are you telling me that some volunteers actually pay to do these courses with their own money?

Simon
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Smashed Crab
95% are Staff and Volunteers of Agencies and not just Fire Services either.

Its not for them to use while representing those organisations as such it is more for Personal Development and career options
 
homerandmarg
Fair enough. It's my personal opinion that doing a course like that would have absolutely ZERO impact on my career options and leave me $1500 poorer. I have worked for two fire services in my time and have never had to pay for my training or career development. In fact if I did do a private course in my own time and then showed my certificate, I would most likely be laughed at!

I am trying really hard not to be negative. I can see that private industry would use you guys to deliver much needed training in those areas since they most likely just don't have the resources or expertise to deliver it themselves. However, if you are trying to drum up extra course numbers from the staff and volunteer ranks then these people are either stupid or have too much time/money on their hands. Furthermore, since your company is in it to make a profit, I dare say that the rescue training I have received (from my employer(s)) would be far more comprehensive since their primary aim is not to make a profit but to ensure their staff are trained to a standard.

You may think I'm being harsh but if you are going to start a thread on soliciting and advertising a service (which is clearly against the forum rules) then be prepared to be scrutinised….

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Simon
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Smashed Crab
Understand homerandmarg

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am not offended at all.

It would be a good opportunity for people that want to enter the industry to attain some qualifications to assist their career dreams.

After all I we have 7 Fulltime ESO Roles available earning $130k+ per year and 95% of our staff are recruited from the courses we undertake.

Once again apologise for breaking the site rules but with the current climate in Victoria and very limited opportunities for employment in the Industrial Emergency Response Sector I thought I would cast the net to offer a valuable course that are very hard to come by.

Happy if the admin wants to delete the post but it wasn't aimed at spam
 
R8CFAVOL
homerandmarg wrote:

snip/I dare say that the rescue training I have received (from my employer(s)) would be far more comprehensive since their primary aim is not to make a profit but to ensure their staff are trained to a standard.


That may be the case as op staff but generally from my observation and experience vol training and assessment standards in the CFA are well below what national RTO's provide.
Cheers

Tony


"Strength in community"


Opinions are the sole intellectual property of myself.


A little more compassion and humility displayed by a few will benefit the mass.
 
homerandmarg
R8CFAVOL wrote:

homerandmarg wrote:

snip/I dare say that the rescue training I have received (from my employer(s)) would be far more comprehensive since their primary aim is not to make a profit but to ensure their staff are trained to a standard.


That may be the case as op staff but generally from my observation and experience vol training and assessment standards in the CFA are well below what national RTO's provide.


Well at least now you have an alternative! Cool

Edit: on a more serious note, why or how (in your opinion) is vol training and assessment at a lower standard. CFA always says that staff and volunteers are trained to the same standard. As far as my personal experience goes, the training and assessment standards have always been what I would consider to be pretty high. Certainly higher than my experience with another fire service. I have mostly been trained by staff. Are you saying that volunteer training and assessing is lowered or "dumbed down"?

Hi Smashed Crab, no worries mate.

Simon
Edited by homerandmarg on November 20 2015 08:56:12
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FireUptheQuattro
R8CFAVOL wrote:

homerandmarg wrote:

snip/I dare say that the rescue training I have received (from my employer(s)) would be far more comprehensive since their primary aim is not to make a profit but to ensure their staff are trained to a standard.


That may be the case as op staff but generally from my observation and experience vol training and assessment standards in the CFA are well below what national RTO's provide.


Watch out for all the funny little red dots dancing around your centre of mass talking like that Tony... Pfft
 
helion
RCR is only a 40 hour course in most places Simon, even other fire services.
Having said that combining first aid and RCR in same 4 days would seem a bit tight given most first aid courses are 2 to 3 days.

Why is the volunteer assessment lower? great questions i have some feelings about this but they will be not be accepted by many, Most volunteers I know want to be trained and assessed to the same standards, so work out who is letting who down.

They may be another factor, in the staff standards are way above what they need to be, before anyone fires off on that statement think about what the outcomes are required to pass the qualification as it stands, and what a staff firefighter is tested too, maybe it just the volunteer is being tested to the standard required by the qualification as it is now.

If that standard needs to be lifted by the keepers of the PUA's is another debate.
 
chucky
R8CFAVOL wrote:

homerandmarg wrote:

snip/I dare say that the rescue training I have received (from my employer(s)) would be far more comprehensive since their primary aim is not to make a profit but to ensure their staff are trained to a standard.


That may be the case as op staff but generally from my observation and experience vol training and assessment standards in the CFA are well below what national RTO's provide.


You sure about that? The standard I have faced with rescue is that it matches that of the staff...

In fact, I am aware of one volunteer brigade who wanted to do high-angle rescue and it was recomended against because the requirements for currency were too high for someone who didn't specialise in it, full time.

Other areas of the organisation may have a lower bar, but I debate such a point in the rescue space.
 
R8CFAVOL
chucky wrote:

R8CFAVOL wrote:

homerandmarg wrote:

snip/I dare say that the rescue training I have received (from my employer(s)) would be far more comprehensive since their primary aim is not to make a profit but to ensure their staff are trained to a standard.


That may be the case as op staff but generally from my observation and experience vol training and assessment standards in the CFA are well below what national RTO's provide.


You sure about that? The standard I have faced with rescue is that it matches that of the staff...

In fact, I am aware of one volunteer brigade who wanted to do high-angle rescue and it was recomended against because the requirements for currency were too high for someone who didn't specialise in it, full time.

Other areas of the organisation may have a lower bar, but I debate such a point in the rescue space.


My apologies, I should have defined my comment more, I was making reference to FF competencies. I concur, members do train, maintain skills and are accessed at a lot higher standard than other competencies in the organisation.
Edited by R8CFAVOL on November 22 2015 09:52:47
Cheers

Tony


"Strength in community"


Opinions are the sole intellectual property of myself.


A little more compassion and humility displayed by a few will benefit the mass.
 
David_E
helion wrote:

RCR is only a 40 hour course in most places Simon, even other fire services.
Having said that combining first aid and RCR in same 4 days would seem a bit tight given most first aid courses are 2 to 3 days.


According to the CFA/VICSES Training Resource Kit, 27 sessions of instruction for a total of 31.5 hours plus three assessment scenarios. So yep, 40 hours.
 
homerandmarg
David_E wrote:

helion wrote:

RCR is only a 40 hour course in most places Simon, even other fire services.
Having said that combining first aid and RCR in same 4 days would seem a bit tight given most first aid courses are 2 to 3 days.


According to the CFA/VICSES Training Resource Kit, 27 sessions of instruction for a total of 31.5 hours plus three assessment scenarios. So yep, 40 hours.


I see. Thanks! Smile
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